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Post by rebanna on Apr 28, 2008 18:37:47 GMT
OK well i qualify as a animal physiologist / trainer in 2 weeks and i will be going to people's home's to help them what stuff do u think i will need eg head colliers, bit's bridles etc have no idea what i need thank you ;D
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Post by brigadier on Apr 28, 2008 18:47:51 GMT
How fantastic- do you help sort out peoples problem horses? What a fantastic job. Check out this site for loads of effective 'gadgets' www.stopthathorse.combrig
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Post by rebanna on Apr 28, 2008 18:55:13 GMT
will have a look thanks yep 5 years at uni still got more to do lol master's are next most of the time 99.9% it's the owner's fault bit scared I'm guna mess up big time do dog's as well i what to run classes for horses a bit like puppy classes get them use to new thing's
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Post by Blonde Donkey on Apr 28, 2008 18:58:40 GMT
you'll be fine, are you interested in Parelli/intelligent horsemanship
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Post by rebanna on Apr 28, 2008 19:01:50 GMT
hi savkins yes i do a lot of parelli and clicker training roo can rear,lie down and do other silly things on cue now. Intelligent horsemanship is that join up? if it is then no i dont like it
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Post by gnuton on Apr 28, 2008 19:09:32 GMT
How exciting for you I'm not sure what it is that you will need but you don't want to go out and invest a lot of money into something you might not need. Can you pick up bits and bobs at auctions? or charity sales? Are you working for yourself or is there a company that you can work for? What about a web page where people can post or e-mail you their training problem and you can offer several solutions. You could probably set up a PayPal account and charge them for your services. Of course you will remember your friends on this forum and let us have a bit of a discount. I love it when people start out on new ventures, especially if you are following your dreams.
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Post by rebanna on Apr 28, 2008 19:18:01 GMT
hi gnuton saving for a web page going to do consultations by web cam so people who don't live NR by can still get help insurance is horrendous though. i have my own land so eventually i want a yard where people can bring there horses and stay and get help
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Post by gnuton on Apr 28, 2008 19:19:22 GMT
Just re-read your post about starting horsey classes like you would for puppy classes. I think it's a great idea. I'm looking at doing something similar at the barn where I am boarding.
I want to do a Bombproofing clinic, which would be Friday evening, all day Saturday and Sunday. The Sunday would include everyone going out on the trails for a ride and having a picnic lunch before heading back home. I'll have several things set up on the trail to reinforce what had been taught during the clinic.
I'm also working on a weekly group where you would learn something new, practice it at home for a week, than come back and work on something else.
Whheee I'm so happy for you.
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Post by martine on Apr 28, 2008 19:22:25 GMT
Great, lots of creative thinking there! And fun ideas, too! Go for it, go!
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Post by rebanna on Apr 28, 2008 19:29:19 GMT
thats the sort of this i was thinking gnuton thought about clicker training classes as people are always wanting me to teach there horses trick's also i was told how much to charge and thought it was way to much but people who have no training were charging £75 for an hours consultation and any where for £90-£300 for an hour's consultation wandering what Ur thought's on that were?
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Post by racaille on Apr 28, 2008 19:29:38 GMT
Hi Rebanna, it sounds very exciting. I loved what you said about the owners usually being at fault (and ditto for dogs). I have had so many 'second-hand problem dogs' you wouldn't believe. Only one (so far) couldn't be saved. I am going to stick my neck out here and say I am a bit uncertain about 'natural' horsemanship. I think there are probably lots of good ideas (and I am becoming quite obsessed by treeless saddles, for instance) but I ask myself if we credit horses with too much ability to reason stuff out. I know there have been miracle stories. But in my experience (limited, I admit) it seems less complicated: bad behaviour=bad handling/riding. This is where you come in, clearly. I wish you had been here a year or so ago when we had a mad mare around. I wonder if you would have come to the same conclusion we did: that she was dangerous and should not be ridden. In fact she went for the Darwin Award and took herself out of the equation, not totally but injured herself so badly she can never be ridden again. Personally, I blame breeding in her case but I would have loved to have you on site for your professional eye ....
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Post by brigadier on Apr 28, 2008 19:30:44 GMT
HI Rebanna
why dont you like join-up?
Im not a devotee of natural horsemanship but am interested in your views. Im a traditionalist at heart but will try anything 'kind' with different horses- as its what works that counts- brig
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Post by rebanna on Apr 28, 2008 19:38:55 GMT
OK ready to run for cover this is just my thought's on it but to a horse being on your own means your venerable to predators and must be incredibly scary and i see it as forcing your horse to do something in the wild if an animal bully's the other eventually the other's will turn on it in wolves they have been know to kill the bully i had my old horse joined up and i have never regretted something so much it toke about an hour and he asked to come in then they sent him out again and he got so upset and confused he lied down and started shaking
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Post by brigadier on Apr 28, 2008 19:49:54 GMT
Do you think its messing about with something we dont properly understand?
Richard Maxwell did 'join up' with a 'nasty' police horse I knew, when he had finished the horse turned round and bit him. I was really perturbed by this as I wonder whether we really understand what join up means to the horse.
Really starting to gel with my own horse now and that is the result of mutual respect and patience and I dont think you can beat that.
I agree that most problems are caused by the owners but some horses are bred a bit psychotic- a bit like some people. I would say though that arguably 99% of problems are down to bad handling.
Brig
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Post by haffyfan on Apr 28, 2008 19:53:42 GMT
I don't whether I should say this really but I saw the person mentioned above work a horse and was shocked rigid! He threw long lines at it and made it run madly in circles but no idea why...I also don't like the images and methods in his books.
I personally am a big fan of Mark Rashid. I also like Michael Peaces books.
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Post by brigadier on Apr 28, 2008 19:58:40 GMT
Haffy youve mentioned Rashid before but Ive never come across him- do you have some details- Id like to check him out brig
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Post by gnuton on Apr 28, 2008 20:00:26 GMT
Wow, that's a lot of money. How busy are they?
I think you want to price yourself that reflects your years of hard work yet at the same time is reasonable and affordable.
You have at least 2 options, career wize. You market yourself as a one on one. This is the easiest option and can be very successful, but like eeverything there is a downside. If you can't work because of illness, or taking time off or for any other reason than you aren't earning any money.
Another option is to look at other people's success. i.e. Monty Roberts, Kelly Marks, the Parelli's and so on, and pattern yourself from their success's.
This requires much more work and many more hours but your payoff is going to be much higher as well. The biggest thing though, you will continue to earn even if you take some time off for any reason.
Running clinics can earn good money but if you put together a learning module for that clinic you can also sell the DVD or book/manuscript at the clinic or on your website. You could also take on apprentices. You could start out with one who assists you in a weekly groundschooling/puppy training, paying say 8 GBS per hour. After their training is completed you can then have them teach a class and pay them 10 GBS per hour but charge your clients 15 GBS per hour. The difference between the two is your's. A payment for your knowledge, training and time.
Am I being of any help?
I hope so, and if there is anything else I would love to help.
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Post by rebanna on Apr 28, 2008 20:01:22 GMT
yes we are predators we shouldn't mess with something we don't understand like that new spray that makes Ur pheromones smell like a pray animal one of my old horse had a brain tumor it made him unpredictable i don't think people mean to course animals such problems but sometimes it makes me soooooo mad!!! racaille if u want me to see what i think pm me if i don't have a clue IL ask my lectures
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Post by haffyfan on Apr 28, 2008 20:10:39 GMT
Haffy youve mentioned Rashid before but Ive never come across him- do you have some details- Id like to check him out brig www.markrashid.com/Passive leaders have "earned" that particular title with the other horses by showing them they can be dependable in their passive behavior from one day to the next. In other words, they lead by example, not by force. This is the type of behavior that I try very hard to base my training on. Leading by example, not force, and by being as consistent as possible from one day to the next. I guess when it gets right down to it, it's more of an attitude than a technique. It's being able to give the horse the benefit of the doubt that they will try and do things right for you, and not constantly reprimanding them for things done wrong.
Mark RashidHis books are fantastic and I would highly recommend them to everyone whatever your views...they are written as tales of his experiences rather than an instruction manual and although he points you in a direction it's up to you to decipher what he is putting across and how it works for you...pure genuis if you ask me!
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Post by brigadier on Apr 28, 2008 20:15:59 GMT
cheers my dear!
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Post by gnuton on Apr 28, 2008 20:18:58 GMT
Just like anything else you have to sift through the information you receive and pick out the parts that make sense to you and discard the rest.
I tried some of the Parelli, Roberts etc stuff on Jazz and Hunter when I first got them.
They, the horses, told me what was working and what wasn't.
Lunging and round pen work was hilarious. I tried to follow protocol but the boys weren't interested. They quickly learned what I wanted from them and once they got it, they stopped.
I lunged Hunter day 1, and he resisted. Day 2, he did it perfectly. Day 3, he just looked at me. He told me he got it. He knew what I wanted him to do but couldn't see or understand the purpose of running around in little circles. This had become boring to him and he was ready for bigger and better things.
I really like your take on the 'join up' and it's the same with all the natural horsemanship methods except each practitioner calls it something different.
I call this the Russian style of negotiation. I win because you lose, and this is exactly what happens. You, the boss, chase your horse around in circles till it stops and says, 'fine, you win. I'll do what you want me to.'
I really prefer a win, win situation. I teach you something, you teach me something, I'm happy and so are you.
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Post by rebanna on Apr 28, 2008 20:26:02 GMT
it about trying thing's and seeing want works for you glad people have found this a topic people have got into gnuton yes they are busy been asked to write a book but just not ready yet I'm only 21 and I'm very dyslexic so i find it hard like our ideas tho will look into them some more i like parelli because you spend time with your horse and the tasks are fun sometimes when you work a horse u don't relay know what to do and get a bit distracted
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Post by gnuton on Apr 28, 2008 20:34:04 GMT
Don't let your dyslexia or age stop you from writing. There are professional writers out there that can put your ideas into a manuscript.
Don't think 'I can't because of.." instead, think 'how can I..'
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Post by rebanna on Apr 28, 2008 21:06:47 GMT
aww thanks gnuton i just think i need more experiance first tho
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Post by zara on Apr 28, 2008 21:19:15 GMT
Hi rebanna, I had problems with my horse and employed an "equine behavioural therapist" i paid £45 for an initial consultation which lasted 3 - 4 hours and £35 for subsequent visits. My therapist is well qualified and is also a Heather Moffett instructor.
I too am not a great fan of "join up" and my instructor feels that with a horse like mine it would be very dangerous! Z
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