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Post by duckles on Jun 1, 2008 20:29:29 GMT
As you may know my horse, JB, had a scaroid recently. It was ringed but didn't come off. After 3 weeks I rang the vet and he said to wait another 2 weeks (which I think and thought was ridulous as if its to come off , it would have by then) anyway I waited. I couldn't do anything but walk with the poor fellow as he was in pain and even lifting his back leg hurt him. Anyway vet took it off on wednesday but didn't bring any Liverpool cream with him! SO I took him into surgery on friday and he put on the cream. He told me to put lime on it every day and give him bute!! TOday I've discovered another on his sheath!! I have been reading everything I can on the internet especially Derek Knottenbelt ( and I feel mean that he is cast as villian in Fantastic Day). I am sure I am getting the right advice from my vet. (who I really like) Does anyone have any advice??? My horse is still in pain from the first one- there is a big area of soreness up under his right leg - which I have to keep open with the lime- :'(and he can't be ridden
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Post by duckles on Jun 1, 2008 22:05:52 GMT
I meant to say I DON'T think I am really getting the right advice from my vet. He keeps telling me this serious etc but does nothing but let the infection spread!! This may be normal treatment but I am getting really worried
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Post by racaille on Jun 2, 2008 3:17:48 GMT
Our vet came out to a club horse this week who has had sarcoids forever. The first was sort of beneath his chest but he's always said to do nothing as it didn't get in the way. So for years it was there, no problem. This week we found lumps on his sheath (the horse's LOL) but again the vet has said to do nothing as they don't interfere with him peeing.
On the other hand the skin on the first is just starting to get sore so it's being treated with a 'miracle cream' - no idea what but the vet said it is new this year (here, anyway).
So I guess the veterinary feeling here is that if it's not causing a problem, leave it alone.
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Post by joandlad on Jun 2, 2008 8:27:20 GMT
The woman who runs the polo yard where I attend trimming courses has used a new treatment for sarcoids. Her vet seems to be the only in the country using it. She's having great results with it (so far). I'll send you a PM with her contact details. I know she is happy to speak to people about it - having had to previously use the Liverpool Cream and seen the discomfort caused she was lothe to use it again.
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Post by slinky on Jun 2, 2008 8:48:50 GMT
I've used Camrosa ointment on sarcoids before.
Some of them have completley cleared up, and others have stayed.
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Post by libbyloo on Jun 2, 2008 13:39:06 GMT
my friend uses thuja cream on her horses sarcoids. Good luck with them.
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Post by brigadier on Jun 2, 2008 14:41:13 GMT
Oh Duckles- what a nightmare, I would email Knuttenbolt direct with a picture of the problem- I know Zara did and he replied with some really helpful stuff- she has copied me the reply previously so send her a PM Im sure she wont mind me saying.
The advice Ive got from Liverpool is that once all the cream etc has come off then treat the wound like any other wound, and given what you are using its actually a burn and a rather serious one. I know Knuttenbolt does not endorse any other treatment and he is the world leader on this but all sarcoids are different and all peoples experiences of them are different!
As you know I couldnt leave Basils to grow as I didnt want it to spread but Im still not 100%sure I did the right thing. You need a second or even third opinion! So either call another vet pronto or email our villain (PS its only the name weve nicked- no resembalnce to ny person alive and all that!!!)
brig
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Post by racaille on Jun 2, 2008 17:16:52 GMT
Seriously folks.... to avoid any possible confusion between our hilarious work of fiction and any person living or dead, the baddie is now called Derek. With apologies to any jolly nice and not at all evil Dereks out there .... ;D
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Post by duckles on Jun 3, 2008 16:58:53 GMT
Thanks everyone. Jo thanks for the contact details. Brig, I agree, it seems cruelty to be putting lime on an open wound. I will pm Zara as you suggest. I am just paranoid at this stage but a friend of mine had her horse put down because of a losing battle with scaroids. Everyone seems to agree that dealing with them quickly is the thing to do so Brig, I think you were right to have the treatment done.
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Post by fallible on Jun 4, 2008 10:31:30 GMT
A friend had a little mare with scaroid problem on her udder, which made it dificult for foals to suck and made her foul tempered. She investigated Camrosa. Bought the kit and used it religiously. Not only did the area being treated clear up but plaques the mare had in her ears disappeared. It was not an over night sensation but took time and persistance.
Hope you have some luck with sorting it all out.
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Post by racaille on Jun 21, 2008 4:39:34 GMT
A little update on this one: the miracle cream (still no idea what it is) is REALLY working miracles. (This is disgusting so if you are squeamish don't read on .....)
It goes on every day for a week, then we take a week off. It sort of forms a dry scab which we have to pick off (gross) but with it come these enormous yuggery things. So far we've taken out one the size of an eyeball - and the same consistency - and one the size of an egg. It's quite extraordinary. They leave holes, obviously, but these disappear in a day or two and we bandage to keep the flies out.
The horse is in no discomfort, judging by the fact that he makes no fuss when he's being treated, and is still in light work.
The only downside is that the treatment is quite expensive.
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Post by duckles on Jun 21, 2008 8:15:26 GMT
Please please Racaille, can you get me the name of this miricle cream? Is it xxtera? I am doing loads of research and asking loads of people because I don't think I am going to go back to my old vet about this problem (although I'll keep him for everything else). JB's old sarcoid (which was removed) has left this enourmous open wound. THankfully it is begining to heal up but I have been 2 months off riding now (expect for small hacks in walk occasionally). He went through a lot of pain and I would rather an alternative treatment for his new sarcoid. I have got the names of 2 vets who do the liverpool treatment and send photos etc to Prof Knottenbolt but they are miles and miles away. I have spent a fortune anyway at this stage so if you can dig up the name of this mircle stuff, I will be your friend for life.
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Post by brigadier on Jun 21, 2008 9:09:53 GMT
Hi Duckles- the scab on Basils sarcoid has now come off and left a small pink hole. looks ok but I guess I will not know if the treatment has worked for some months of it not coming back! If he needs more cream though Ill not send him away again - the vet can come to me!
brig
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Post by octobergold on Jun 21, 2008 11:46:50 GMT
my ollie has sarcoides - i bought him in feb - i was aware he had them before i bought him and i research up on them before i actually confirmed the purchase of him as i wanted to know what i was getting myself into vet cost wise
he has a big round scar on inside of his back leg where i fink liverpool cream was used but he also had one on his right ear which was left and droped out leaving a hole the size of a 10pence
but he had another one delevoping right underneather the hole on his ear and another one forming in between his front legs
so like i said i started reading up and looking it up on the internet
i treat him with thuja cream, sarc x powder and garlic powder
when i appied it for a full week the top layer of the scar came off to reveal a pink lump
i assum it must burn it off - i may be wrong
anyway i hadnt put any cream on for about 3 weeks , but when i looked yesturday its seems to have rapidly grown, and looked sore - i dont know if its to do with the sun ect so hes having the cream on every day again and see how it goes
it can be hard to apply the cream and he only let me near his ear - dont blame him really it must be sore
but that my story with the battle of sarcoids
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Post by racaille on Jun 21, 2008 11:59:27 GMT
Hi Duckles - I looked at the cream this am and yes, it is Selekt Xxterra, manufactured by Axience. It's a tiny pot yet it cost 157 euros! I read the contra-indications too and it is not for use on ears, near eyes or on mucus membranes or on healthy flesh.
Our vet said it is new - it's the first time he's prescribed it, but it may be more common in the UK. It is quite astonishing how well it is working. Just as well at that price!
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Post by octobergold on Jun 21, 2008 12:03:16 GMT
it is Selekt Xxterra, manufactured by Axience. It's a tiny pot yet it cost 157 euros! I read the contra-indications too and it is not for use on ears, near eyes or on mucus membranes or on healthy flesh. i wont be able to use it then   |
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Post by brigadier on Jun 22, 2008 20:47:29 GMT
Ive just done some research on the Xterra stuff and went on a french forum and came across this by chance. Maybe worth trying ( anything is) www.naturalginesis.com/products_elp.html#SSALVEOn the french site they were saying its effective but it takes quite a while to work as it doesnt burn, also the hair grows back! Im going to keep this website in case Basils comes back as $60 is better than £700 that Ive just paid! brig |
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Post by duckles on Jun 22, 2008 21:57:03 GMT
Co incidently I was talking to this about the vet we had at the jump cross today. He said the xterra got mixed results. He is against the ringing approach as he said sarcoids are virus' and can be very aggressive and the ringing only spreads it! He found he Liverpool cream the best but says he's given up on it as they make him wait over 4 months for it and my best bet would be to find a vet who is well in with the guys in Liverpool and who would get it quicker.
So I might try that or get the xterra over the internet. By the way, the lady who teaches me (in those far distant days when I had a horse for lessons) says her vet just gives them the liverpool cream and they put it on themselves! So far I had paid 260 euros for one sarcoid removed over 8 weeks and which left a big wound and I've been told that there is no guarntee that it is gone!! So the mircle stuff Racaill is talking about does not seem that expensive to me. ANd I've paid nothing compared to Brig! I also told the vet at the jump cross about me giving Vit E as its what you give to humans with the pampillia wart (wrong spelling but same virus as sarcoids). He didn't think it would help much but I'll keep at it anyway. I have just bought a big tub of horse vit E!
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Post by brigadier on Jun 24, 2008 21:28:13 GMT
I want a vet who will give me knottebolts cream- FGS I know to wear gloves!!!!! I should have been a bloody vet!
good luck with the hunt duckles keep me posted!
brig x
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Post by Becca on Jun 25, 2008 9:04:04 GMT
I used camrosa on one of bernies and i went up one day and found it burst and manky inside. it was horrible, stopped using the stuff cos i got scared
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Post by gingernut on Jul 6, 2008 20:50:47 GMT
My first pony had a scaroid on her chest where the fold of the leg goes up (does that make sense?) we had that surgically removed and she never had them again. Our vet gets a vaccine made up from a sarcoid on a horse and that seems to work - not sure how he does it though!
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Post by Becca on Jul 7, 2008 8:59:43 GMT
Bern's sheath has been clear for about 2 months, now one has popped up again. It's only the size of a large marble so no too worried as his just tend to come and go as they please. Does anyone know if there is a reason they flare up? weather, season etc?
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Post by brigadier on Jul 9, 2008 21:01:06 GMT
Im not sure Becca, I think it could be like warts in humans and linked to the horses natural immune system- when its strong they go quicker etc. Last year Basil had some marks on the insides of his hind legs and I suspected sarcoids then but they disappeared and I believed I must have imagined it, but I guess not, he probably naturally fought them off!
I hate the things!
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Post by Becca on Jul 10, 2008 8:40:53 GMT
Yeh Bernies never tend to get bigger than a large marble, hang around for a month or two then *poof* gone. touch wood only ever on his sheath and a cluster on the inside of his hind when i bought him so far
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Post by brigadier on Jul 11, 2008 19:50:37 GMT
Hey Duckles -
hows it going?
brig
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