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Post by racaille on Oct 14, 2009 16:37:32 GMT
I've no experience of stretchy rubber side reins for lunging but I think you do in the UK? Are they better than a gogue? We only ever uses gogues here but I can order some bungie reins if they work better .....
Over to you experts please ;D
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Post by Blonde Donkey on Oct 14, 2009 16:45:45 GMT
My friend uses a bungie on her andalusian and honestly there is no difference in the way he goes (i think he's perfect as it is). never seen a gogue in action so can't comment, though i do like the pessoa's as they don't pull the head in from the girth and do allow the horse to work more freely
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Post by duckles on Oct 14, 2009 20:50:21 GMT
I don't think a bungie is any better than a de gogues. I am not a big fan of bungies. In my old yard everyone just to use them - perhaps misuse them - but they did nothing for their horses other than pull their noses in.
I know that there are long elastic reins that you can lunge in- Brig posted me a link to them and I will find it for you.
I never use anything myself as I have always found slow patient schooling is the only thing that works (for me anyway) but then again, I wouldn't have great confidence in my abilitity to use a gadget correctly.
I recently have found half halts to be really effective.
Obvioulsy for lunging, it is different - but I am becoming more of a fan of long reining than of lunging.
A friend of mine uses a de gougue and loves it- she describes it as a chambon you can ride in! Whether it made any difference to her horse, I don't know.
Who is it for Rac - P or R? or Both?
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Post by fleabitten on Oct 14, 2009 21:05:46 GMT
I would be the same as duckles - i wouldnt have confidence in my ability to use any sort of gadget like that. I just stick the lunge line on and plough on lol!
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Post by brigadier on Oct 14, 2009 21:21:02 GMT
heh heh- Duckles- so you are a long rein convert!
there is nothing wrong with a de-gogue if used correctly but I do like the give of elastic type devices if you feel you need to use one, however I think the bungee type elastic cannot be comfortable for the horse, its designed to go over the poll so of course the horse will give to it, the poll is so sensitive and the pressure of the bungee is narrow and harsh. Also Im not so sure pressure on the poll should be used to help outline, however i would use it for control ie rearing or lungeing a difficult wayward horse.
I like the elastic long length side reins and use them a lot because they are so versatile but I must stress I would never use them for riding, (although Ive seen them used thus) but for lungeing only to suggest where I want the horse to place his head when driven correctly from behind. As Duckles says, for riding- its half halts, and gymnastic exercises that collect and round the horse.
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Post by racaille on Oct 15, 2009 9:42:55 GMT
Brig, the ones I had in mind were side elastic things that attack to the girth. Perhaps I should have been more specific! I lunge P regularly in a gogue which I have always believed encouraged the horse to hold himself correctly but allowed him some leeway to move his head within the triangle. The goal is to strengthen his back muscles and help him understand how to hold himself. But I have to say that after quite a few years I can't say there is a lot of difference (although if I hadn't done it, who's to say P might not be worse?) P is bone idle on the lunge, it has to be said, and I've tried everything to wake him up. He would much rather buck or 'run' than work. Hmmm.  (It is just laziness - he's been checked over for pain) Schooling is very difficult for me at the moment as I have no arena although there is a field nearby that has been mown and might do - it is on a slight slope though and I don't know what effect that would have. But he's such an bottom to school. To be honest, I'm pretty fed up trying to get him to cooperate. But I suppose if I gave up trying his back would just dip pretty fast? |
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Post by fleabitten on Oct 15, 2009 17:32:38 GMT
Maybe a slope would be good for getting them to control themselves? Ive heard people saying that you can get a well schooled horse even if you dont have a nice flat area.
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Post by duckles on Oct 15, 2009 20:58:54 GMT
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230381845766 is the link Brig gave me. I was considering buying them (and still am) but I found JB was so much better long reining than lunging that I am leaving lunging for a bit until he finds it more comfortable. (He normally is good lunging - its just the pain he was/is in.) Yes Brig - thanks to you, I have learnt to long rein and to love it although I guess I will give it up when I get to do more riding. It is wonderful for a horse with a sore back. Racaille - I gave up lunging Cori years ago as he is impossible - I find him a lot better long reining (although I don't do it very often) - so it might be worth trying that with Paco? I don't suppose it has the same benefits as lunging - but I actually don't know? Paco is such a wonderful hacker - could you incorporate your schooling into your hacking so as to fool him into working properly??? Little serpintines along the vineyards?? Or what about some lessons in the place your daughter used to go to? Is Paco better in company?
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Post by brigadier on Oct 15, 2009 21:55:47 GMT
If youve never noticed a difference with the de gogue then I would recommend trying an alternative. The pessoa is also good for making a horse work from behind rather than run and pull itself along with its shoulders. I suspect Paco bucks because he knows you are asking for something but hasnt got the feeling yet of giving it. its amazing when they learn the feel for a movement and then dont want to stop doing it.
Basil had a tendency to weakness in the topline and area of the saddle. the elastic side reins were great but now he needs to use his hocks more to help lift the shoulder. Its kind off working out what needs improving first and what to use. Keeps me busy!
You do need a flattish area to lunge- too much of a slope will strain the tendons etc.
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