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Post by spotti on Jul 21, 2009 19:05:13 GMT
How would you go about getting past the following... ? * Planting feet and refusing to budge * Rearing * Spinning * Charging off at the drop of a hat I'm only asking as the hairy beasty has decided to set me a challenge of persuading her to leave the yard when she's decided she'd rather stay put. I'd really appreciate your thoughts on the matter  *** just to say that I'm already working on the above and since we started yesterday we have already been on the dreaded path about 5 times and walked calmly up/down it atleast 2/3 of those times, so we are getting there slowly...it just takes a while to persuade her! Ta very muchly  |
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Post by haffyfan on Jul 21, 2009 19:46:08 GMT
Planting feet and refusing to budge - I try to get movement by shifting weight from side to side and trying to rock him...both mounted and on ground.
If that fails (dismounted)Plain old pressure then releasing the moment he gave in to it (till I pulled the bridle off one day...good thing he was planted to the spot ...lol) after that I used a parelli halter under his bridle and towed from this.,....much easier!
Not happened for a while but I know only too well how flippin frustrating it is and it must be worse when you know it's going to happen at least Murph was very random about the spots he chose and it was never about going out. Once you got him moving he was fine again so no idea why he went/goes on strike to this day as he has even done it on the way home!
Stating the obvious the other actions are all evasion tactics but solving them I have no clue on...if your ready for the spin you may eb able to prevent her getting all the way around and same for taking off, you can at least be ready to stop but going up is very naughty indeed and I would think difficult to be on the defensive for and stop happening in relation to the other actions.
Brig may know a rearing cure, she has a few bucking ones up her sleeve.
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Post by brigadier on Jul 21, 2009 19:56:09 GMT
Spotti- I thought things were going well? Is she in pain again?
Rearing is tricky but one cure is to get someone to shoot her with a water pistol (preferably on her head but obviously avoid her eyes!) They have to be quick and not too obvious in wat they are doing!
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Post by scattymare on Jul 21, 2009 20:04:25 GMT
Only one I've really had experience of is the planting feet - P went through a phase of this when I got him. I found that just waiting stopped this. ie not letting him turn and if he stepped backwards then he would get pressure from my leg. When stood just a steady pressure and the moment he moved forward the pressure came off. He soon got bored when he realised that he wasn't going anywhere - though sometimes it took a while. Now he never does it. The first time it happened I got a bit flustered and we ended up having a bit of a battle - though thankfully he was too kind to do anything really bad, but the waiting game seemed to solve it calmy and he had made the decision for himself that going forward was better than going nowhere!
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Post by solomon on Jul 21, 2009 21:58:23 GMT
My friend's mare did it tonight. Planted firmly growing roots into the ground. The pull release worked on her after smacking failed. We need to remember how they work, if we pull, they pull back only they are ten times stronger and always win! The rearing thing, there is an article in one of the mags might be horse, re rearing. The trainer uses playing with a horse ball on the ground to get the mare moving forward. I think the case was particularly interesting 'cos the owner had had this horsy from a youngster, so no bad experiences causing it just naughty!
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Post by fimacg on Jul 22, 2009 11:56:47 GMT
Spotti ,Chompy was a master at all of the above bot on the ground and on his back.
On the ground the only thing that solved the feet planting was standing at his shoulder and continually asking him to walk forward beside me by flicking the rope at his side, now he wont lead and plants the instant you go in front of him. Rearing and spinning on the ground I ended up leading everywhere is a be-nice halter so I had a semblance of control, but on the odd occasion he still sets his neck and off he goes and I am left running down the road after him... LOL
As for ridden force DOES NOT work and only excerbates the problem, Chomps had any number of sticking points on a route where he would rear and spinI hacked out in a bungee attached from the girth through the bit rings and over his head - there only about £10 (I can loan you one if you want) they give enough freedom of moevement as they stretch but when they go to rear obviously they need to lift their heads and the pressure increases so they drop them again and stop mucking about.
Then once the naps decreased in amount and severity I had to ride past his sticking place with VERY VERY soft hands and no tension in my body whatsoever, basically saying that there is nothing to be scared of and ride as if you are going to go past the sticking point and not as though you are expecting the nap (harder said then done). Also try to keep her head pointed the way you want her to go, dont let her turn. I have ending up in numerous hedges and ditches while Chomps was 'scared'.
My advice is dont give in, don't bully and you may need to wait it out. It used to take my 30minutes to ride 100 yards with all the antics and if something scary comes along use it to your advantage. Once a tractor and trailer took Chompys attention off his nap at one point and he decided that the tractor was more scary but it hid his sticking point and we got past and nothing bad happened and he never napped there again.
PM me if you wnat any more advice, but I can sympathise as I have been through this.
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Post by spotti on Jul 22, 2009 11:58:57 GMT
Brig - nope she's not in pain and yes things do seem to be going well...she just likes to keep me on my toes lol  It seems the problem is the path itself as she plants her feet at the other end too (when we approach it from the road), although she doesn't perform quite as energetically from the road...perhaps she knows we could really get hurt! The rearing seems to be an evasive tactic as she's a smart old bean and has figured out that if she rears and then spins, she has the upper hand as I balance myself for the rear and then haven't got my legs in place to prevent the spin...  She doesn't rear to get me off though, she just likes to tell me her opinion (ask a mare, tell a gelding and all that :  . The spinning is simply just something she seems to enjoy doing now (because she can!), but we've got that sussed by using the right amount of leg at the right time She only charges off if I won't let her do any of the above (although occasionally she'll do ALL of the above and THEN charge off...the monkey!). She has perfected our emergency braking system now - disengaging her hindquarters by bending her head to my leg - and will do it with the minimum of rein pressure from me so I have NO IDEA why she still charges off when she stops almost immediately when asked...me thinks she just likes running!  *** We went out this morning and had a great time ;D We headed out up the road (we were going to tackle the path again but there were gates in the way and we generally couldn't be bothered to faff about with them) and headed in the direction of the nearest bridleway - bearing in mind she's never been further than just up the road from the yard before - and she was brilliant! She was on the buckle the whole time we were on the track, just sniffing at everything and having a nosey at the cows in the field (she's never met cows before...or seen a fern, bless her) and was quietly plodding along like she'd been up this track a million times before! She even stayed calm and on the buckle whilst I answered my phone (past the falabella ponies! Another thing she's never seen before!) and didn't take advantage once...she really is a good girl  . She stayed calm all the time we were on the roads and even stopped at junctions and let cars pass her without flinching once! I know that last part might not sound like much to any of you who have road-safe horsies but those of you from the old YH forum might remember our incidient with the idiot in the car zooming up behind us and scaring the bejeezus out of us both last time we went riding on a road...and to go from bolting up the road and not stopping until faced with a brick wall to a calm and happy plod (even when faced with new things) is quite an achievement! And for both of us to be super-chilled and riding on just the buckle is amazing! I'm so proud of my pony ;D |
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Post by spotti on Jul 22, 2009 12:02:16 GMT
Just to add that this mornings adventure went without a hitch - not a nap in sight - and she was simply wonderful ;D She moved off the slightest touch of my leg and as previously mentioned, I didn't need my reins!
I think if you could have seen our faces when we got back (at 7:30! We must have set off about 6:55 lol!) then you would have seen just how much we enjoyed our ealry morning wanderings...a yard friend of mine even commented on how Faith looked really pleased with herself BEFORE I even mentioned how good she'd been ;D
I LOVE MY PONIO!
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Post by fimacg on Jul 22, 2009 14:22:53 GMT
Spotti glad it is going so well for you and she seems to be getting over her tantrums
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Post by zoon on Aug 9, 2009 20:06:20 GMT
Zoon does all this at the gate when you try to hack him alone. He'll stop suddenly and then try to turn (not a spin as suck and he always turns to the left) I can stop him turning round and keep him facing in the direction I want to go but then when you ask him to go forwards again he'll rear and run backwards. The more you ask and hassle him the higher he goes up and often he ends up reversing into things.
The trick? Sit and wait it out. I sit quietly and wait for him to get bored. He drops his head and sometimes tries to grab some grass to eat and I know he's given in and ask him to walk on.
The first time I was there for over an hour. Every time I asked him to walk on he went up. People even brought me tea! But eventually my patience was greater than his stubborness and out of the gate he went. Second time was similar, but eventually the time decreased and 99% of the time now if he stops you ask him forwards and he doesn't argue. Most of the time he doesn't even stop. Very rarely he'll stop and try to turn but I haven't had a rear for ages. Patience is the answer!
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for so much hard work we thank ye!!
She doesn't rear to get me off though, she just likes to tell me her opinion (ask a mare, tell a gelding and all that :
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. She stayed calm all the time we were on the roads and even stopped at junctions and let cars pass her without flinching once!