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Post by octobergold on Jun 3, 2008 21:33:24 GMT
i know cantering has already been covered in FAQ but it didnt cover what i need help with  il give you a bit of background when ollie was backed it seems he was very well schooled but since hes been with the last 2 owners it seems like he hasnt been used to his full protentioal and so hes picked up bad habits so then i got him - i had previously had a 7 year break, plus he hadnt been riddern for 3 months so ive been building our stamina up as we were both unfit  anyway im wanting to have a go at equtation this year as i know he would excel at dressage with the right rider so i thought we could have a go at beginners equatation he goes loverly in walk and trot - really nice paces - even tho my sister says he shuffles but when i slow him down so his trot is balanced i try to put him into canter but he speeds his trot up so its extended trot and hes too fast to pick the canter up, plus it looks a mess tonight ive tried doiing small circle all over the indoor and trying diiferent ways but its all gone a mess and i left the yard frustrated  whish i hate doing can any help me with sugestions? also in trot and canter my sister tell me he shuffles? how can i correct this? any help would be brill im just feel like a failure tonight - feel like i cant ride lol im on such a downer   |
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flash7
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Post by flash7 on Jun 3, 2008 22:04:43 GMT
I'm not the best person to answer this question but I will say is YOU ARE NOT A FAILURE!!!!! I too have similar problems with my horse getting into canter. I had to teach my horse the aid and at the start I had trot faster and faster till we broke into canter as well as doing the correct aid for it. Try going large in the school as smaller circles are difficult for them if they are unbalanced. To get my horse on the correct lead I used to ride rising trot on the wrong diagonal and then asked in the corner and it does work just don't give up. There is a theory behind it but I can't remember it. Something else I used to do was lunge my horse in canter and do lots of trot-canter transitions using the lunging whip [flicking it behind him but not touching him] in order for him to find his balance cantering in circles and loosen him up. I would also say the word canter to get him used to the voice aid on the lunge then use voice with the correct canter aids in ridden work which may also help.
Have no idea if any of this is technically correct but it has worked with my horse but I really feel this answer needs Brig or Maximum.
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arumanii
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Post by arumanii on Jun 3, 2008 22:06:42 GMT
oh no hun -don't be down it happens to us all wher we get off thinking what on earth am I even bothering for but then the next time will be better... Think u need a good answer from Brig or someone so will leave it for them to explain as they do it soooo much better!  |
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Post by racaille on Jun 4, 2008 2:40:04 GMT
We all have cr*p days - dont brod on it, just forget it!
I'll leave the technical stuff to the experts but here's a thought: here we ask for canter either from sitting trot or from walk. It may be that's what he's used to too and is getting confused by your rising?
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Post by kitcat on Jun 4, 2008 7:32:18 GMT
Ryan has days like this where he gets a faster trot rather than a canter. Last night my instructer put a very small cross pole in the corner and had me take heim over this in trot and push into canter on landing. I don't know the technicalities of why this worked (Brig, Maxie - help please) but it did.
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Post by fimacg on Jun 4, 2008 8:27:21 GMT
A small cross pole or even just a pole on the ground in the corner that you ride over can help them into canter, I think it makes them think about their feet a bit more.
When you are asking for canter make sure you have a quality trot with lots of impulsion from behind and holding it at the front so that when you get canter you can soften the hand in a release and allow him to go forward as a reward, it doesn't matter at this stage where his head is or even if he is on the right leg (although that would definately be prefered). You just want him to get the message that those aids mean canter and canter now!
Then bring back to trot and ask again, when he does canter go into a light seat up off his back and really blast him around the arena so he thinks "yippee this is fun", trot again and then ask for canter again, remembering to soften the hand each time to allow him to go forward.
Once he has got the hang of the transitions then you can start working on his balance, collection and where his head should be.
Hope this helps!
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Post by octobergold on Jun 4, 2008 11:26:19 GMT
thankyou guys
i was in a bad mood last night after leavin the yard lol but ive since chilled
i will have to start fresh again
it was my first bad ride since i bought him in feb - so hes done brill up to now
what i should of done last night is got off him when i was getting frustrated instead of staying on which resulted us ending on a bad note than a positive one - hey we learn i guess
i feel mean for shouting at him lol - he probably thought what the hell is she trying to make me do lol
oh well all is forgiven - we will attempt again on a positive light
if anyone else has anymore suggestion there are welcome to throw them my way
cheers for listening and giving advice
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Post by kitcat on Jun 4, 2008 12:25:59 GMT
A small cross pole or even just a pole on the ground in the corner that you ride over can help them into canter, I think it makes them think about their feet a bit more. Thanks Fi. |
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Post by brigadier on Jun 4, 2008 18:10:51 GMT
Hi There
Try the canter pole advice in the corner- sometimes its a quick fix solution.
If that doesnt work then you need to ensure you are giving the correct aids. I prefer the diagonal aids where you give a really clear aid with the outside leg to encourage the horse to step off with the outside hind, carry a whip in the outside hand and reinforce the aid with this but not letting the horse run with the outside hand.
Some horses do get 'locked' into trot as the muscles work their most efficient in the diagonal set up. If this is the case then try walk to canter advice for which is already contained in this faqs page. The simple change across the diagonal is really good for the faster trot issue.
Another useful exercise for this is LEG YIELD ON THE CIRCLE INTO CANTER
Trot a 15m circle and leg yield out onto a 20m circle, make sure it is a true leg yield, with the shoulder and quarters moving across together (dont let the shoulders fall out- you will need a strong outside leg and hand, on reaching the 20m circle do a quick half halt and then ask for canter DO NOT LET THE HORSE RUN, if he trys to then half halt and ask again but reinforce with the whip (carry in outside hand). He should soon get the message and the leg yield will improve his shuffle at both paces (if he is shuffling) keep us posted as to how it goes!
brig
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