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Post by maximum on Sept 14, 2008 21:43:32 GMT
Apparently henri st cyr (v famous dressage rider in 50's) used to push horses that jogged into piaffe and then after a bit they were too knackered to anything but walk!
am off to bed right now but there are a few things I will type tomorrow as when I am tired I type a lot of poop apparently!
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Post by brigadier on Sept 15, 2008 7:45:23 GMT
Quickie reply as going to work! Will type more later.
Make sure you are not hurrying her natural walk- horses jog mainly for two reasons- excitement because she is fresh- so I agree here with Maxi- push her forward and do trot or a bit of canter to get the tickle out of her toes ( a bit of canter wont harm her as long as it is on a longish rein and no tight circles) and do the walk when she is less sharp. The second reason is because someone has rushed her out of her natural walk which leads to her jogging to try to keep the rider happy- so it is possible she is just trying to please you- after all she hardly knows you yet. Pet her when she walks and ignore it when she jogs if you think this may be the reason- I like your ethos- violence is never the answer especially if she is fresh she will just take you on- and if she is trying to please you she will be demoralised.
good luck let us know how you get on- feedback is really important.
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Post by duckles on Sept 15, 2008 14:14:02 GMT
My horse used to jog when I got him first and go into trot/canter if rein relaxed at all. I think it was due to the experiences he had previously - which hadn't been great. I remember that at first I would spend about an hour in the arena trying to get him to walk on loose rein, the same hacking. Took ages but paid off. Don't know if that is of any help. I kind of like the piaffe solution!!! Not that I would be able to do it in a millon years but it would be cool!
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Post by zara on Sept 15, 2008 19:31:55 GMT
Patience, patience, patience! My last arab mare knew nothing other than jog and gooooooo! I spent a year of walking around the lanes and never so much as asked her to trot. Eventually we could go for walks and we could do a sensible show in a ridden arab class! relax and take it easy and don't expect too much too soon Zx
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Post by FirenLady on Sept 15, 2008 20:11:42 GMT
When we used to ride the old mare (ex racer) She would jog horribly if out on her own, or whilst being ridden through woodland (I think thats cos we had to duck under branches. Take her out in company though and she was good as gold. I think it was a insecurity. Perhaps try riding serpatines etc to keep her brain working perhaps?
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Post by haffyfan on Sept 15, 2008 20:17:51 GMT
My pony just to jog/jig and also pull when excited. I found the best thing thing was to ask him to walk and immediatly reward him with a loose rein, then repeat as needed. Sometimes he wouldn't totally settle and walk but did sort of lumber along on a loose rein which was restful on the arms. Years and a lot of patience later (like Zara suggests) he almostforget his habbit and rarely got so excitable he felt the need.
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Post by r0450111 on Sept 15, 2008 20:33:44 GMT
If you think it might help, you could ring local racehorse trainers and as if you could use their gallops? She might just need the chance to get it all out of her system. By using the gallops, its safe and usually enclosed!! I did with one horse i was bringing back into work. She refused to settle, once she'd blasted round 4 times she was fine.
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Post by nimbynoo on Sept 16, 2008 10:35:30 GMT
If you think it might help, you could ring local racehorse trainers and as if you could use their gallops? She might just need the chance to get it all out of her system. By using the gallops, its safe and usually enclosed!! I did with one horse i was bringing back into work. She refused to settle, once she'd blasted round 4 times she was fine. Not to mention it's bloody good fun!! |
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Post by rocker on Sept 16, 2008 11:33:58 GMT
pika is a sod for jogging , but its because she is always out with big horses and she cant keep up in walk , it is very annoying but if i do get her to stay in walk , within 2 mins we are about 50 yds behind the others , on her own she doesnt do it at all
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Post by chiefsmyboy on Sept 16, 2008 14:52:32 GMT
Patience, patience, patience! My last arab mare knew nothing other than jog and gooooooo! I spent a year of walking around the lanes and never so much as asked her to trot. Eventually we could go for walks and we could do a sensible show in a ridden arab class! relax and take it easy and don't expect too much too soon Zx Totally agree with zara on this one. My previous horse used to be a part-bred arab and jogging was a nightmare and the more I pushed him forward the faster he got which at times was extremely dangerous (took off on hack and straight across main road before wrapping me around gate post on other side!). I found riding him in a straight bar rubber snaffle and walk, walk, walk and walk everywhere. Takes time but it paid off for me. Good luck. |
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Post by maximum on Sept 16, 2008 20:22:03 GMT
the 2 main causes of jogging are anticipation and excitment and I think your mare sounds like she has a bit of both! It sounds as if her previous owner has either encouraged her to jump about or simply allowed her to jog along and galloped her at every given opprtunity.
If she is jogging she is not going forward correctly and using the energy created to go up and down rather than forward. there is no quick fix but time and patience will pay off so you need to be willing to put in the work and be totally consistant with her.
Walk is a 4 time pace which tends to be the last pace which becomes established in a horses training and is also the easiest one to mess up!
your mare needs to learn to accept the leg in wlak and not think that it means trot everytime the leg goes on.
Insisting on walk seldo if ever works- ride her forward in a strong and rhythmic trot then ask for the downward transition but ride UP into the walk keeping her forward in a 4 time movement for a few strides and then back up to trot canter then trot then walk for a few strides always thinking forward in rhythm. keep the rein relaxed and if she jogs close the leg and block with the hand get walk and then trot once you have had a few strides adding the odd halt if you think you can do it well.
once you establish walk try to make her stride out and really work in the walk - get her doing shoulder in, leg yield anything to make her think and work hard so she does not have time to think about jogging.
Also in the walk make sure you are using your legs alternatly so as the front foreleg moves forward use the leg on that side to ask her to drive into a longer stride. it is alternating and different from when you ask for the trot with both legs together.
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Post by maximum on Sept 16, 2008 21:38:11 GMT
mmm thats sounds liek a whole other problem.
tbh its the same principal. the more you try and walk her the more she is likely to jog so you may have to work on the trot work.
what do you mean by 'grab' the bit? does she lean on it? get her tongue over it?
I would work on a circle and get her forward in the trot and ignore her nonsense, just keep her forward and insist on the trot. you vant fight with a horse like this it will wind you both up.
keep the leg on her consistant contact and if she whips round whip her back round get her staright and get her forward in trot.
she sounds as though she is very very naughty and needs a lot of work. it is not acceptable for her to behave like this and I would take her back to basics and do lots of groundwork to teach her some manners and respect.
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Post by wraggel on Sept 16, 2008 23:34:10 GMT
Her hum, I'm no expert and I cant go into reems of tactics but have you tried asking your horse to stop, I mean dont let her move unless its in a walk. As soon as she breaks into a jog just ask her to stand and then ask her to walk etc etc
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Post by abi on Sept 17, 2008 18:12:00 GMT
whats she fed? i agree with all the above, but perhaps shes getting a little too much energy from her feed?
like giving a small child four packets of blue smarties, they cant help it!
also, whats her grazing like? around this time fof year a small growth spurt normally occurs in the grass before it slows down in winter, so take a look at the lushness of her grass! x
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Post by maximum on Sept 17, 2008 18:27:40 GMT
Her hum, I'm no expert and I cant go into reems of tactics but have you tried asking your horse to stop, I mean dont let her move unless its in a walk. As soon as she breaks into a jog just ask her to stand and then ask her to walk etc etc the danger with that is that the horse gets very wound up, much better to get them moving forward. |
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Post by brigadier on Sept 17, 2008 19:09:47 GMT
Sounds really naughty as maxi says so I echo above- but make sure she isnt in pain- back trouble causes jogging as they want you to rise and that may make her grab the bit as would sharp teeth. You sound as though youve some experience and know how she should be going so good luck and keep us involved- your writing style is such fun!!
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Post by wraggel on Sept 17, 2008 20:38:51 GMT
Her hum, I'm no expert and I cant go into reems of tactics but have you tried asking your horse to stop, I mean dont let her move unless its in a walk. As soon as she breaks into a jog just ask her to stand and then ask her to walk etc etc the danger with that is that the horse gets very wound up, much better to get them moving forward. Yes I see that would probably happen with this little horse. Time, patience and calm. Good luck.X |
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Post by maximum on Sept 26, 2008 22:35:57 GMT
sounds like she is coming on!
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Post by brigadier on Sept 27, 2008 16:44:19 GMT
Is she pure TB- whats her history? she looks familiar!!!!!
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Post by fallible on Oct 3, 2008 11:10:53 GMT
Have you ever thought of going right back to basics? I have worked with many tb's both before racing and retraining after they come back (not so many in recent years). Sometimes it pays to put them back on the lunge. NO trot and canter or your fit horse will become even fitter, just a forward walk. Move about the school, don't just stay in one place. Squares on the lunge can be quite a challenge and get her thinking, also throw in a few poles on the ground. Make corners for her to work out, sqint and misalined poles so that she has to work it out to keep from tripping on her nose and stop her thinking about bogging off. I've said it before and now will be boring and say it again, try long reining but keep it enclosed to start to keep iot safe. Slow and steady does it.  |
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Post by brigadier on Oct 3, 2008 16:49:42 GMT
You see- the long reining message keeps coming back- cure for nearly everything groundwork is long reining- it gives the horse confidence when most problems are a lack of it! Why dont more people long rein?  ? |
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Post by solomon on Nov 19, 2008 21:46:22 GMT
hi what fun these beasties give us. you are right bitting won't help my jogger goes in a gag and loves to piaffe herself naturally if you try to stop her jogging! It's boring old schooling that is gonna help but lots of it. No tug of war half halts lifting out of the saddle fractionally and asking for a slower pace without getting annoyed it is hard, but you are not alone.
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Post by ceej on Nov 20, 2008 17:02:35 GMT
seems like you are getting on better theough - it does take some horses longer to settle into a new home too....I am glad to hear you are working at it kindly rather than
'hitting or bitting' her! she looks lovely. I want to see more pics....
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Post by fff on Dec 7, 2008 10:42:53 GMT
Mils had a habit of jogging on the route home, although she had never been regulaly trotted back that way it was a routine with her to jog and snatch the reins out of my hands and generally get very wound up! I found out the best way was to plant my thumbs on her withers and just keep half halting. Asking her too stop would have wound her up too much and it would have been dangerous, she really hated being asked to half halt but would comply eventually and just jogged with her back feet lol. I was 100% determined that she would walk home even if it took 10 times as long and I'm happy to say it did work! As others said patience is the key and just to relax which in turn relax's the horse! Tx
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