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Post by ceej on Apr 6, 2009 7:58:55 GMT
Occasionally (not always) I lack brakes with Harry. The one time was whwn we had a canter through a stubble field (heading home) and there was no stopping - I laughed at first but barely stopped him at the road! The yesterday he got a bit excited when the horse in front broke into trot and he just trotted straight past her - absolutely NO BRAKES at all. She said he went straight past wih his mouth WIDE open and thats how he is doing it (quite common I guess, but I have never had this probelm before). He only does it when excited but it is irritating and putting me off taking him to a fun ride or going faster in company.
Friend has suggested a flash, or a waterford. Im not putting him in a waterford. He really likes the kimblewick (which is what he came in) woudl a curb chain help with this? I (and I rarely say this) do think he needs a stronger bit - he is currently in a mylor comfort snaffle) but he wont stand for jointed bits - he really protests. otherwise I guess its a drop noseband rather than flash - what makes them better?
Advice please ;D
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Post by haffyfan on Apr 6, 2009 8:03:23 GMT
Drop noseband?
Or I find horses do like and go well in waterfords and cherry rollers too.....with cherry rollers they cannot take hold of the bit and ignore you as with other bits as the rollers just roll (suprisingly enough!)
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Post by haffyfan on Apr 6, 2009 8:04:09 GMT
BTW I though you had to use a curb chain with kimblewicks/pelthams?
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Post by ceej on Apr 6, 2009 8:08:38 GMT
you do wear a curb, - thats why Im wondering if a kw would help - I dotn have one now though.
The only reason I am loathed to use a waterford is that he hates jointed bits so much - not just eggbuts but I tried him in a nuew shule lozenge bit (which I think is the same as a cherry roller and he just hated it - head up, tongue out, shaking his head - awful....
I do have a waterford I can borrow...Wouldnt hurt to give it a go I guess.
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Post by fimacg on Apr 6, 2009 8:18:20 GMT
I think a change in noseband would be more effective than a change of bit, a flash or a drop could work.
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Post by ceej on Apr 6, 2009 8:26:27 GMT
I have only just bought a lovely heritage snaffle noseband though!!! hee hee
what do poeple think about dutch gags (rubber straight bar) with three rings - can that help?
Or do I just need to accept I need a drop/flash?
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Post by fimacg on Apr 6, 2009 8:31:33 GMT
It sounds like the evasion is him opening his mouth, which is why I don't think a change of bit will help that much, you could always use a flash/drop for a little while until he is out of the habit of opening his mouth
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Post by brigadier on Apr 6, 2009 17:31:34 GMT
I think the drop is the way to go- sounds as though he has a fleshy tongue which is why a jointed would annoy him. Try the drop first then experiment with bits if it doesnt work.
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Post by maximum on Apr 6, 2009 19:45:20 GMT
ditti brig - Max if evading open wide and loll massive huge tongue out the side of said open mouth.
add drop and hey presto soft and accepting and no more open mouth get aways.
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Post by ceej on Apr 7, 2009 8:39:46 GMT
so whats the difference between the flash and drop IYO? I have read tjhat drops are much better for young horses as flash's confuse them as they also pull on the noseband when engaged...but beyond that I am not sure wat difference they make? I know there was a big discussion about this but I cant see it....
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Post by brigadier on Apr 7, 2009 10:05:39 GMT
Because of the way a flash fastens it puts pressure on some really sensitive nerve endings on the side of the nose- constant pressure on these can lead to numbness and even tissue death. Also when you use the bit it causes the flesh between the flash strap and the cavesson strap to squeeze which isnt what you want. If a horse has any edges on its teeth this can really hurt them, and in young horses who are teething is tantamount to torture.
The drop avoids these but check your fitting, the bit can be used independently of the drop but the straps must fit snugly.
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Post by ceej on Apr 7, 2009 12:54:32 GMT
ok Im bidding on a drop noseband...
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Post by maximum on Apr 7, 2009 19:45:31 GMT
you go girl!! ban the flash!!
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Post by ceej on Apr 7, 2009 21:06:22 GMT
Just won it - £99p!!!! Whoo hoo!
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Post by brigadier on Apr 8, 2009 8:06:58 GMT
Arrgh- if its cob size and black- I hate you!!!!! (need one as mines too big but cant be bothered looking!)
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Post by ceej on Apr 8, 2009 8:20:17 GMT
no its full (which may end up too big, but there was a cob one black at the same price!!! get on ebay!!!
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Post by fallible on Apr 8, 2009 10:55:36 GMT
Because of the way a flash fastens it puts pressure on some really sensitive nerve endings on the side of the nose- constant pressure on these can lead to numbness and even tissue death. Also when you use the bit it causes the flesh between the flash strap and the cavesson strap to squeeze which isnt what you want. If a horse has any edges on its teeth this can really hurt them, and in young horses who are teething is tantamount to torture. The drop avoids these but check your fitting, the bit can be used independently of the drop but the straps must fit snugly. My god the things that you learn on this forum!  I never knew that, but now i've read it, it makes sooo much sense! I just love being able to read all the stuff you brainboxes know.  |
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Post by brigadier on Apr 8, 2009 14:00:05 GMT
Fallible- if you research the micklem multi bridle all the evidence is there- obviously he is trying to sell his new design but the evidence base is strong to avoid flashes. Years ago I remember reading something from Dr  (name escapes me but a world champion dressage trainer/rider) who was saying more or less the same thing re cavessons and young horses teeth- he advocated the drop as it doesnt put pressure on where it is sensitive but they must be fitted correctly. |
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Post by ceej on Apr 8, 2009 14:05:12 GMT
hmm, may need some advice on the fitting please....
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Post by ceej on Apr 8, 2009 14:15:37 GMT
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Post by stillonly1wu on Apr 8, 2009 19:58:22 GMT
If you want a Kimblewick, I have one. It won't cost anything because I don't use it now and it is good to recycle ;D It is 5.5" I agree with everything Brig says about flash nosebands.  |
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Post by haffyfan on Apr 9, 2009 6:59:30 GMT
Brig do you mean Reiner Klimke (sp) I have had several long hard thoughts myself about trying the micklem, when I eventally get round to testing my LG properly I might have to have a play with one...poor old Murph has tested just about every form of bitless going  |
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