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Post by brigadier on Jan 21, 2009 19:39:26 GMT
Watching Fleas thread on her potential horse and thought about something that my trainer said.
When your horse goes up into trot (or down for that matter) does he/she use the same diagonal pair everytime? and if so have you noticed that on one rein yu need to sit for a beat then rise and on the other two beats then rise?
Basil does use the same one but its the first time Ive ever thought about it- anyone else?
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Post by haffyfan on Jan 21, 2009 20:12:33 GMT
Never entered my head but will be looking out for it now!
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Post by zara on Jan 21, 2009 20:40:13 GMT
A puzzler and i'm never sure about certain diagonals. I know that if I'm on the left rein I will get the right diagonal stright away however on the right I generaly have to look to check and then change it. However (bad grammer i know) if I'm changing down from canter to trot I will always pick up the right diagaonal. Now what I don't know is "what the hell AJ is doing"? lol Zx
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Post by fleabitten on Jan 21, 2009 21:36:30 GMT
What did you notice in the vids brig? When im trotting i dont generally notice about what you descibed. I just try and make sure im on the right diagonal. When i was trying that horse i didnt make any effort to check diagonals because i was too busy concentrating on doing other stuff and worrying!  I think if i think back ive notice this. Sometimes i only have to sit for one beat to change if im wrong and sometimes i have to sit for two but never really thought about it! |
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Post by joandlad on Jan 22, 2009 12:54:52 GMT
Murph always leads into trot with front left, right hind. There's been lots of research about horses favouring legs (mostly with race horses and right/left handed tracks). I used to think it was his front left that he favoured but thinking realistically about it, the power comes from behind so it's got to be one of the backs, so I think it's his back right. People favour legs too. If you stand still, both feet together, and walk off you will always lead with the same leg. However, it's really difficult to work out for yourself which yours is because try as you might not to think about it you you do and end up using both.  You need to get someone to watch you when you're not thinking about it. |
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Post by joandlad on Jan 22, 2009 12:56:56 GMT
Meant to say, has any one watched Mark Rashid's video "Understanding Footfall".? Will blow your mind and make you realise that actually it's probably not the horse favouring a leg at all but you. ;D
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Post by duckles on Jan 22, 2009 15:23:53 GMT
Jb strikes off in trot on the right diagonal now that you mention it and it could be because of me as Jo suggests!! Sadly I'm badly aligned!! But working on it. But i do feel that horses may have a preference just as we do,
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Post by racaille on Jan 22, 2009 17:58:42 GMT
Meant to say, has any one watched Mark Rashid's video "Understanding Footfall".? Will blow your mind and make you realise that actually it's probably not the horse favouring a leg at all but you. ;D D'y'know, I am dumb (yes, well, you all know that) but it has only recently occurred to me that Pacos' 'left foot problem' is at least half mine! I am hopelessly feeble on my left side and find, for instance, lateral work excruciating on that side. Funny I've never worked it out before. Brig, I've never thought about that trot idea but I can't wait to see (tomorrow hopefully, although rain is forecast ..... boooo, it's almost like an English winter here. No, well, I mustn't exaggerate...) ;D |
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Post by brigadier on Jan 22, 2009 18:33:59 GMT
Remind me never to visit in January!!!!!
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Post by rainbow on Jan 24, 2009 4:01:11 GMT
looked a my mates horse today and he seems to always strike off on his right hoofy. so does that make him right hoofed |
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Post by fimacg on Jan 24, 2009 17:40:15 GMT
never thought about it before but I always end up on the wrong diagonal in the left rein so I gues he probably does with the same foot all the time
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Post by brigadier on Jan 24, 2009 18:03:36 GMT
Ive been watching for it and on the left I get it if I rise straight away but on the right I sit an beat then rise and its correct! How simple is that- only took me 40 odd years!!!
Ive always gone from the beat on the outside hind but it takes a couple of strides to recognise it- this way is quicker!
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Post by duckles on Jan 24, 2009 19:48:38 GMT
Brig- I'm the same only on the reverse!!! immediate to right and sit one to left!!! that is on JB - with Cori, its not always that so I don't know if the right preference is me or my horse
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Post by brigadier on Jan 25, 2009 12:27:43 GMT
Waiting for the beat on the outside hind can be affected by how supple the horse is through the back and hocks, not sure if this would affect which diag it chose to strike off on as it may differ with rein.
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Post by racaille on Jan 25, 2009 16:49:35 GMT
Now this is an interesting deviation in technique - here we ask for trot and sit until it is well established and then rise. But you seem to rise on the strike off (or not, as the case may be)?
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Post by fleabitten on Jan 25, 2009 18:35:04 GMT
If its rising trot were going to do, I just sit for a few beats until the horse is actually trotting and then start rising, changing diagonal if i dont get it right. Obv if its sitting trot, no need to bother!
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Post by brigadier on Jan 30, 2009 19:21:46 GMT
Now youve got Bob to practise on Flea try and see if you find it easier to get the correct one on a certain rein.
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Post by fleabitten on Jan 30, 2009 20:41:17 GMT
Ok, will try and remember to have a go at this tomorrow brig! |
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Post by brigadier on Jan 31, 2009 18:20:59 GMT
Now this is an interesting deviation in technique - here we ask for trot and sit until it is well established and then rise. But you seem to rise on the strike off (or not, as the case may be)? Thats what I was taught until I started riding youngsters. Until their muscles are strong enough in the back I always ride with a semi-perched seat- through any changes/ transitions either up or down. Sitting trot is never introduced until they have a natural 'round' way of going and they can maintain this through the transitions and then the rider can introduce sitting. Have you seen the way horses hollow into transitions?- lack of balance and the "Ow get off my back" usually causes this. But once the horse is strong enough and the rider relaxed enough through the pelvis then sitting is ok. It differs with stages of training for the horse and for the rider so there is never an easy "when should I start sitting trot ?" answer. Also if the 'round' way of going is only done by the horse whilst wearing gadgets then usually the horse wont have developed the correct muscles- it has to come naturally (part of the debate against draw reins)  |
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