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Post by brigadier on May 9, 2008 21:09:48 GMT
The vet has just this minute rung. The cream has arrived from Liverpool and hurrah the good proffessor does not think it is very deep- he thinks it should be treated with a less potent cream but more applications (nice and expensive) The dilemma is this it needs six applications over eight days and the vet says that with the call outs it would probably work out better for him to be an in-patient. Also that he would not associate the treatment with where he is stabled at the moment, as by the fourth treatment it will start hurting him. She advises minimal exercise during treatment in any case so riding is not an option and they have a paddock at the vets so he would be turned out. What do I do?  ?? Thoughts would help me think about this clearly. My concern is that he is lovely and settled here- would it stress him to go stay there.....however he has raced so has travelled and stayed all over the place! what to do? Brig |
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Post by zara on May 9, 2008 21:16:33 GMT
Hi Brig, is this the advice of your vet or Prof Knottenbelt? Personally I'd ask the advice of the Prof personally, AJ was treated with L'pool cream at home before having cryosurgery (before I owned him). he had cryo twice to a sarcoid on his face and it hasn't (touch wood) returned. I have Proff K's e-mail if you want it Zx
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Post by maximum on May 9, 2008 21:18:08 GMT
you know he has to go.
he will be more stressed if you are around when it starts to hurt and he picks up on any of your feelings.
I am sure he will be fine and if not he can come home cant he?
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Post by popsicle on May 9, 2008 21:28:46 GMT
Don't know much about sarcoids, But he would probably be better having the treatment at the centre. it's only for a few days and as Maxi says, if he doesn't settle you can always bring him home, sometimes the best option is not the easiest.
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Post by brigadier on May 9, 2008 21:32:53 GMT
Oh foul smelling poopy- i know you are right- its like leaving your baby behind! Ill cry! I know I will.
Hi Zara- thanks- I saw your email on YH- I know Proff Ks work from old and its his advice and his cream, Kat my vet worked with him for ten months so deferred straight to him.
Brig
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Post by popsicle on May 9, 2008 21:35:45 GMT
Be brave Brig, He'll be back before you know it..
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Post by haffyfan on May 9, 2008 21:37:59 GMT
It sounds like it's best for him...plus I know my Murph would never forgive me if it was him and I applied the cream that hurt....he would have me good and proper that's for sure
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Post by maximum on May 9, 2008 22:15:55 GMT
I think I could actually leave my actual baby easier than my horse!! is that really bad?
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Post by popsicle on May 9, 2008 22:22:26 GMT
I think I could actually leave my actual baby easier than my horse!! is that really bad? Yes its really bad!! Even worse that you have to ask if it's that bad. *Now where is that number for childline* |
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Post by duckles on May 9, 2008 22:54:44 GMT
Bridadier, that's awful, don't know what to say. I don't think it would be any easier for you if its done in the hospital as you would be worried about how hes getting on- but which would be less stressful for him? That really is the decision point. Some horses don't seem to find being stabled in different places stressful - they can be self confident and secure and take in their stride. Others get very upset. As an exracer he will be used to it and you say he is laid back. But, if it were me I would probably keep him at home (that is as long as the vet did the applications). I know that is of no help- sorry! Mind you I wish I had your vet, JB's scaroid was ringed and is still waiting to come off! Then he'll treat it with Liverpool Cream! But I don't think its going to come off- its nearly 3 weeks!. Good Luck, Brig, I know you'll make the right decision.
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Post by kateflashy on May 10, 2008 6:46:28 GMT
 the lump under ali's belly was a sarciod i just tied it off and it fell off after about a week then aluminimum sprayed it its not come back yet and its been about a year |
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Post by brigadier on May 10, 2008 8:05:11 GMT
Hey Kate that interesting! Did you know there are less sarcoids in France than England, we are inundated with them-
the problem with England is that we are so bound by health and safety so I cant apply the cream myself etc. In ance theyd give you the bottle and tell you to get on with it.
Basils is flat like a squashed pea and it wont tie or ring but I would have been tempted to do that! another of the liveries has got one that dangles and I would certainly tie that if it was my horse.
Its almost certain that flys spread them on the horse- they nibble at an eruption then land elsewere and spread it- thats why they are usually between the legs/belly and sheath areas- although they can be anywhere- Ill post a pic
Brig
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Post by racaille on May 10, 2008 8:08:41 GMT
Professor Knottenbelt? LOL No, honestly, what's his real name?
Be brave Brig, he'll be back before you know it and it's best you're not around ;D
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Post by brigadier on May 10, 2008 8:12:34 GMT
Heres a pic   |
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Post by brigadier on May 10, 2008 8:14:21 GMT
Racaille-
no serioulsy thats his name- Brig
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Post by kateflashy on May 10, 2008 8:16:17 GMT
i would of thought that was more of a wart then a sarcoid fredrics got loads of them on his neck ive put human wart cream on them and they go
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Post by brigadier on May 10, 2008 8:18:09 GMT
This flashed up on the google ads - does being a swinger mean the same in america as it does here I wonder? www.sarcoidosiscure.com/These google ads are really clever -they match the topic you are looking at- pretty amazing! |
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Post by brigadier on May 10, 2008 8:21:00 GMT
Hi Kate- yes thats what I thought at first and was prep to leave it- but over the last month it started to change pretty fast- its not really bigger but the skin and hair around it is raised and getting scabby- I think it would continue to develop more and look more like a conventional sarcoid. the vet was certain as soon as she saw it.
brig
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Post by brigadier on May 10, 2008 8:23:51 GMT
I think I could actually leave my actual baby easier than my horse!! is that really bad? Mmmmmmmm!  |
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Post by maximum on May 10, 2008 13:57:30 GMT
I think I could actually leave my actual baby easier than my horse!! is that really bad? Mmmmmmmm! Ok I was joking!! (please dont phone the social work) hehe |
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Post by brigadier on May 10, 2008 19:56:17 GMT
I know exactly what you mean though!
brig
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Post by duckles on May 12, 2008 19:02:40 GMT
Any decisions on this? |
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Post by brigadier on May 12, 2008 20:52:48 GMT
Hi Duckles- great recovery on Le Trec!!!
yes he goes on Wednesday- he will be gone until a week on Friday- I dont think I will visit him as I will get all daft!
The treatment will cost £600 if he goes and £800 if he stays, however the insurance will only pay half his livery and care whilst at the hospital so its academic really re money.
I decided it would be less traumatic for him as at least he wont see all his mates go out in the field every morning and he has to stay inside, with a painful spot!
I wouldnt be able to exercise him much either and he would probably be a bit daft in any case having been in so would only teach himself to be silly!
Bit depressed about it but cheered by the fact that I tried him in a drop noseband tonight and seem to have found the answer to the tongue problem- going to do a post about it!
thanks for asking
Brig x
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Post by duckles on May 12, 2008 21:49:42 GMT
Oh good luck. It'll be tough but you're doing the right thing. Probably best not to visit him - I know when my dog was in (she had been knocked down) they wouldn't let me visit, they said it was too upsetting for the animal! Its expensive but worth it if it does the job. I'll be thinking of you wednesday, which co incidently is the day i have to ring vet about JB as 3 weeks then since ringing and stupid thing still shows no sign of falling off! Plus he has a little thing on his lip that is new and I am being paranoid about. I can only ride him walk at moment as he shows a lot of discomfort in trot and i don't know if that is because of the scaroid or if he's put back out again. He's happy walking and its better than doing nothing in this lovely weather. Cori's saddle is being re flocked so I can only ride him bareback! The joys of it all. I'm glad you got your drop noseband and its doing the trick, you'll probably find it'll get him out of the habit and you can get back to your old one if you wish. ANyway good luck!!!
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Post by only1wu on May 12, 2008 22:03:57 GMT
Best of luck to Basil. Really think it is best for him to go away, because he will not associate you with the treatment and he will be so pleased to be home when it is all over. It is a really painful treatment, much like chemo for humans, and he will feel very bad for a while. My friend's Arab was treated with Prof Knottebelt's cream 3 years ago. The sarcoid was on his sheath. Her vet said that she could not be bothered to come up every other day (!) but she would do the first application. The second one was not too bad, but by the third application his sheath was so swollen that he could hardly walk and he was in so much pain that he was kicking out totally at random, so not much of the cream went on. Result: The treatment had to be repeated 3 months later and the horse does not appear to like his mum much now. He is grumpy, ungenerous in his work, bites and waves his head about. I think that he has not forgotten what was done to him and holds it against the person he trusted to look after him. Best that you stay out of it and let the professionals manage it. Very best wishes to you both. Really keeping my fingers crossed for you. Wu.  |
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