Grapes?

[rebanna]

dont know there deadly to dog's and small animals tho

[florence]

Jul 12, 2008 22:26:17 GMT rebanna said:

dont know there deadly to dog's and small animals tho

I didn't know that!

[rebanna]

i asked my vet about food's we eat as i wanted to try and make my own dog food as i couldent get organic food and they told me that i was shocked

[ceej]

my dog loves grapes...oh dear better stop giving them to him (mind you they cant be that deadly)!

He also loves raisins and sultanas..

[finefilly]

my auntys next door neighbours dog died from eating grapes. i never knew they were that deadly. i suppose they are not natural for a carnivore to it. they wouldnt eat things like that in the wild but i suppose horses are herbivores and probably eat things like fruits and berrys in the wild. our dog loves grapes and satsumas though but my mums stopped letting him have them after what happened to my aunts neighbours dog

[rebanna]

yep mine love's them but i thought id better not let her have them any more

[haffyfan]

I have heard that about grapes too.....no fear in our house as Jade is a junk food addict like her mum. She hoovers up all the crumbs usually before they hit the floor but a piece of fruit or veg would hang around until it rotted as she won't entertain them...but she is rather partial to pickled onion crisps

[florence]

I'm gonna be more careful then. I don't give my dog grapes, but if I drop any I don't stop her eating them. I know chocolate can be poisonous for dogs (apart from the stuff specially made for dogs) but I don't know if that one applies to horses. The kids at my old yard used to give my horse chocolate and I put a stop to that but I would never have thought of grapes being harmful.

[racaille]

I think dogs are omnivores rather than carnivores so they do eat veg: most tinned and dried food includes carrots etc. But grapes, raisins and sultanas are poisonous to them as they lack a certain thingy

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1034677/Massive-increase-dogs-poisoned-chocolate-grapes--fed-owners.html

[gingernut]

Oh dear - my mutt likes eating grapes and to be honest the only thing she won't eat is lettice! She likes raw carrot and raw sprouts too - don't think she's quite right in the head but that said she does belong to me and all my animals are slightly crazy - must be my influence! lol

[aimee]

Oh yeah my dog loves raw carrots, and its true they are omnivores (I did animal care for a year haha) Its gross and kinda hard to explain but in the wild they hunt and eat, for example, a rabbit or a deer, dog gobbles them up including all their stomach and guts and stuff, and what will be in a rabbit or a deers stomach...grass, fruit and vegetables! So thats where dogs got their veggie fix from and why its included in dog foods today.

And I think that most citrus frutis are not that good for horses, wont kill her but dont let her go mad on them!

[ceej]

fletcher eats raw meat (usually beef chunks and mince) mixed with soem dried food (else I would go bankrupt). He has never been healthier than when we started on raw meat and he loves it. Cook it and he will foul smelling poopy for england!!!

[racaille]

"There is some debate as to whether domestic dogs should be classified as omnivores or carnivores, by diet. The classification in the Order Carnivora does not necessarily mean that a dog's diet must be restricted to meat; unlike an obligate carnivore, such as the cat family with its shorter small intestine, a dog is neither dependent on meat-specific protein nor a very high level of protein in order to fulfill its basic dietary requirements.
"Dogs are able to healthily digest a variety of foods including vegetables and grains, and in fact dogs can consume a large proportion of these in their diet. Wild canines not only eat available plants to obtain essential amino acids, but also obtain nutrients from vegetable matter from the stomach and intestinal contents of their herbivorous prey, which they usually consume.
"Domestic dogs can survive healthily on a reasonable and carefully designed vegetarian diet, particularly if eggs and milk products are included........ In the wild, dogs can survive on a vegetarian diet when animal prey is not available. "

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog

Well, there's the basis of a debate ..... lol ;D

But hey, I didn't know that citrus fruit were bad for horses! Triangle LOVES oranges and lemons but I suppose I'd better stop giving them to him? (Mind you, he feasts on acorns and oak leaves too....)

[brigadier]

Hey Racaille- Triangle must have a dynamite constitution! I thought acorns were poisonous but not sure now-squirrels eat them!
I remember reading somewhere that dogs can survive on a diet of pure meat if they have to but actually prefer variety! Cats on the other hand cant and need some veggy matter in their diet! My lovely setter used to love strawberry quality streets- she used to get the wrappers off and leave them rolled up on the carpet. I think she ate grapes too- only thing she ever spat out was celery (cant blame her!)

[only1wu]

Remember reading a letter in one of the horsey mags from a man living in Spain who routinely fed his horse grapes, peaches, melons, nectarines, oranges and lemons. He said he did this because it was so hot and dry in the summer that his horse got no succulents, not even grass. He said that all the horse owners in the area did this and that they could go to the market at closing time and get bags of fruit for nothing.

There was a picture of his horse looking great! He said that the only bad fruit for horses was bananas, but I can't remember why it was bad.

I looked for the letter, but couldn't find it.

My horse loves peanuts. Does anyone know whether this is bad for him?? He doesn't get many, just a small handful in the morning when I fill the bird feeders.

[racaille]

"To begin with we must get a good grip on two terms . . . carnivore and omnivore. The cat is considered by scientists to be a strict carnivore and the dog is considered to be an omnivore. Both species are in the Class Mammalia and the Order Carnivora, but here’s the difference: The cat cannot sustain its life unless it consumes meat in some form. Dogs, however, are able to survive on plant material alone; they do not have to consume meat. But always keep in mind that dogs do best and by nature are primarily meat-eaters. Just because by definition they are omnivores (can digest and utilize plant and animal food sources) does not mean that plant material alone makes a good source of nutrition for the dog. ......
So a good way to think of it is that cats are carnivores, dogs are omnivores, but they both have evolved as hunters of other animals in keeping with their nature as meat-eaters."

www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/catsaredif.html

I quite agree Maes, wiki is totally fallible, it was just a quick way of starting the dabate! It does seem that opinion is divided, so I believe I can still say that I think dogs are omnivores. And I think that cats are carnivores.
And I do know that a palfrey is not a banana - well, there may be someone on here that can tell us it is some lesser known sub species - but I too think it is a horse!!!

[rebanna]

cat's cant be veggi coz they dont produce torine (spelling) in there body's where as dog's do what i hate is ppl feeding horses meat that get's to me

[rebanna]

shhh dont tell any one but my shetty use to love chesse and onion pastys would bite u for one