|
|
Post by spotti on Jan 26, 2010 9:02:08 GMT
...is coming to the UK ;D And he's coming near enough for me to go see him  Excited? Me? DEFINITELY! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Right, ok, calm enough to stop grinning now. Anyone else like Ceasar? I love him and he always amazes me how he gets dogs to behave themselves when no one else can...bit like Monty Roberts with horses really... I LOVE the shot in the opening credits of The Dog Whisperer where he's out running with a big pack of dogs, all running freely, yet never leaving his side - how cool would to do the same with a herd of horses...ride one and run free with the rest of the herd...amazing!  Sorry, I'm rambling a bit now - just very excited ;D ;D ;D |
|
|
|
Post by brigadier on Jan 26, 2010 14:23:47 GMT
Where is he appearing Spotti- wont be too far from me either- I think he is good, a bit like monty as you say!
|
|
|
|
Post by spotti on Jan 26, 2010 15:31:35 GMT
He's going to be in Sheffield!!!! At the arena...sunday 21st of march ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by spotti on Jan 26, 2010 15:33:11 GMT
He'll be in other places too...nottingham, manchester, london etc - type ceasar milan uk tour into google and it will tell you more |
|
|
|
Post by solomon on Jan 26, 2010 15:43:44 GMT
I love him too he is the best. I think it's about £40 a ticket tho'.
|
|
|
|
Post by mossh on Jan 26, 2010 17:18:55 GMT
I'm going to go against the grain and say that I can't stand him!! Drives me up the wall he really does!
|
|
|
|
Post by rainbow on Jan 26, 2010 19:39:30 GMT
I absolutly love him too! I would love to go see him but i thought that his price of the tickets was a bit steep though not even monty was that much.
|
|
|
|
Post by rebanna on Jan 26, 2010 20:44:38 GMT
i need maxi's chip fat can't stand him!
|
|
|
|
Post by florence on Jan 26, 2010 20:50:37 GMT
I think he's great! I've used his techniqes where all else has failed and they bloody work!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by spotti on Jan 27, 2010 13:23:00 GMT
It seems he's going to be another controversial talking point between us lot But whatever works for you  Yes, the tickets are quite expensive, but soooooooo worth it! I'm proper excited! My next mission is to see Monty Roberts or Kelly Marks...or even both! Eeek, excited ;D |
|
|
|
Post by Blonde Donkey on Jan 27, 2010 20:29:44 GMT
It seems he's going to be another controversial talking point between us lot But whatever works for you Yes, the tickets are quite expensive, but soooooooo worth it! I'm proper excited! My next mission is to see Monty Roberts or Kelly Marks...or even both! Eeek, excited ;D Monty and Kelly usually tour together and are really good. From what i have seen and heard of Caesar Milan i would not follow his methods but I think people have followed his training ideas quite successfully |
|
|
|
Post by rainbow on Jan 27, 2010 23:00:17 GMT
i love everthing he does and i believe that his methods would work. ive watched other shows like dog borstall etc and i just dont like their methods, theres another english women that i hate. If i had a dog i would alsways use his methods. PLus he is just mmmmm lol
EDIT:
Just talking about it to OH and i dont see how he is different to monty roberts tbh he is doing exactly the same thing. He is training the dog from the dogs point of view and language to get them to behave/what ever. But so is monty he trains horses from there language and point of view so whats the difference?
|
|
|
|
Post by spotti on Jan 28, 2010 11:50:00 GMT
I don't think there is a difference TBH rainbow - they both 'train' horses or dogs in their own language and get some amazing results, usually when everyone else has given up hope...plus, they've both observed wild groups and self-taught their methods based on how they saw the herd/pack interact with one another in the wild (or at least, how they acted when they weren't influenced by people) I too hate Dog Borstal - all that yelling just winds the dogs up. And that annoying woman off It's Me Or The Dog - bah! She drives me potty  . I've just been thinking and I think the main difference between the methods of Monty and Ceasar are that Monty uses slightly more obvious positive reinforcement (i.e. stroking etc) than maybe Ceasar does BUT horses and dogs are not only completely different species, they also have completely different roles within an environment...one is a predator (dog) whilst the other is prey (horse), which I think explains why the methods used to train each animal differ. With a predator you would have to be firm and have quite a strict hierarchy - as would be seen in the wild, especially if dealing with pack animals, such as dogs; yet you have to be softer, gentler, and take time to gain the trust of a prey animal as their first response to anything even vaguely scary is to run first and think later. All in all I think they both get the same results from two very different animals - i.e. trust and respect from their respective species, all without force, and all spoken in a language that animal will understand...its own. Something that boggles my brain is that if we humans think we are the most intelligent species on this planet, and that various animals (let's take dogs and horses for this example) do not have the mental capacity to understand all the things that we humans understand, surely then it is up to us - as the more intelligent species - to learn the language of those less intelligent individuals and communicate to them in that language? How can we expect a supposedly less intelligent species to possibly understand the complex and often confusing language that we humans use, if we, as a whole, do not fully understand it ourselves? On a less philosophical note: I'm still extremely excited and cannot wait to see Ceasar in march ;D Eeek! |
|
|
|
Post by scattymare on Jan 28, 2010 12:12:46 GMT
I have heard of him and think seen him once on telly so don't really have much of an opinion on him. BUT Dog Borstal is a load of cr*p. It is all staged, th edogs are 'screened' before they can go. How do I know, my dad called one of the guys (can't remember his name but one of the main male trainers) about his dog they were having serious issues with -it pulled them over, cracked their windscreen when it got too excited at a dog training class(!) and they were told by this guy that it was too late, the dog was a lost cause, it was too old to learn to change its ways.....the dog was 2!! Now 3 years on, the dog is a generally well behaved, settled animal. Too strong for my dad but not nearly the nightmare he was. The dog (an alsation male called PIP!!) came off the streets as a stray. He just needed a stable life and some discipline. So yeah sorry, slightly off topic but  to dog borstal. |
|
|
|
Post by rainbow on Jan 28, 2010 18:08:04 GMT
yeah that the women i was thinking of from that programme its me or the dog! grr i hate her! i dont 'hate' dog borstal but i definatly approve more of ceasers training methods as they just make sense!
|
|
|
|
Post by rainbow on Jan 28, 2010 18:09:02 GMT
Something that boggles my brain is that if we humans think we are the most intelligent species on this planet, and that various animals (let's take dogs and horses for this example) do not have the mental capacity to understand all the things that we humans understand, surely then it is up to us - as the more intelligent species - to learn the language of those less intelligent individuals and communicate to them in that language? How can we expect a supposedly less intelligent species to possibly understand the complex and often confusing language that we humans use, if we, as a whole, do not fully understand it ourselves? On a less philosophical note: I'm still extremely excited and cannot wait to see Ceasar in march ;D Eeek! I agree so much with that! |
|
|
|
Post by mossh on Jan 29, 2010 12:50:46 GMT
I don't watch any of the shows tbh.
Think its basically common sense with monty/ceaser etc, you have to find out why the dog/horse is acting the way it is and then work on how to improve the undesired behaviour. You have to treat the cause and not the symptoms.
When we first got Scoobie, even though he was good in most ways he was very food aggressive at times and it took a few months to get him to settle and we started off with basic training and the "wait" command for his dinner and it got gradually longer and longer he had to wait and then I started taking his food/bone off him and really praising him when he let me, I completely ignored his bad behaviour but praised the good.
Now I can take whatever I like off him and he's good as gold. We've had perfect strangers and people he knows (for example Rainbow) take his bone off him and now all he does is "crawl" to your feet and stare pitifully at you lol.
I don't necessarily disagree with all of ceasers methods but i just don't like him. I'm sure hes lovely in real life but i just don't like him! I don't agree with all of dog borstals methods either (can't stand the woman on its me or the dog. Could I feed her to the dog?!) but i think you have to pick and choose whats right for your own dog. Scoobie liked the strict hierarchy and the routine and the "traditional" way of doing things.
|
|
|
|
Post by stassy on Jan 31, 2010 8:46:08 GMT
I agree Mosh it is basic common sense but the thing with common sense is its not very common and it takes the likes of CM do show people how to understand their dogs.
I would go and see him but at £40+ a ticket I could get my horse's feed in for the month.
|
|
|
|
Post by spotti on Jan 31, 2010 12:52:46 GMT
I'll tell you all what then - I'll try to remember my camera and either take pictures, or video record bits of the show and then I can tell you all about it without you having to fork out £40. Deal?
|
|
|
|
Post by rebanna on Jan 31, 2010 22:56:19 GMT
not a lot of people know this but i dont know of any dog rescue that will re-home to you if you use his methods. Think that sum's up his methods.
|
|
|
|
Post by spotti on Feb 1, 2010 9:45:24 GMT
Really?
|
|
|
|
Post by rebanna on Feb 1, 2010 13:44:44 GMT
yes this has come from there rehomers and trainers who i'v meet and they post it on the dog behaviourest forums
|
|
Excited? Me? DEFINITELY! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 
for so much hard work we thank ye!!
