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Post by ptarmigan1 on Sept 25, 2009 19:40:22 GMT
Quick question for my course work...Why did the unionists in Ireland think the parititon was a good idea?
If you know any other info that would be great..thanks
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Post by fleabitten on Sept 25, 2009 20:00:24 GMT
Oh I remember doing this. I think it was 3rd year.
I wish i was doing it now and could give you a really good answer!
Links with Britain - they wanted closer links with Britain and by being ruled by London was something they wanted.
Didnt like nationalism/ fear of a united ireland (although perhaps that would be more relevant to a later time period?) This sounds like early 1920s sort of.
They believed they were British and should be part of Britain.
I should know this lol!!
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Post by dannyboy on Sept 25, 2009 21:53:30 GMT
Really tricky question - As strange as it may seem, our history lessons at school never touched Irish History, all we learned was about 1066 The Battle of Hastlings so I hope I answer this as good as poss.
Unionists are loyal to the union (UK & the queen) and want to be part of Britian. Some of the reasons:
(1) more security, financially, political and defence reasons
(2) Protestant religion - unionist - links to Britain, a lot of Scottish immigrants into the then North of Ireland pre - 1916
(3) Until recently, R.Ireland would have been a lot less stable economically, e.g. most roads outside of Dublin 10yrs ago would have been really poor, however with the EU investments the R.Ireland has been transformed and is now a more attractive country.
The Unionists thought that partition was a good idea as republican movements were threatening to take over parts of the north (more protestant population) and it would make them the minority. They wanted to take back control. A lot of English landowners who had taken the R.Ireland land forcefully had been over thrown by the Irish fighters (1916) of their day and it was a compromise to separate the country for the benefit of the whole of Ireland & the UK. However not all were happy with this decision and consequently decades has went past with war. Thankfully most people have embraced the Good Friday Agreement, hopefully peace and a brighter future is ahead and we all go galloping into the sunset ;D
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Post by fleabitten on Sept 26, 2009 14:23:58 GMT
DB - you are a history whizz!!!
I dont think we studied the partition in detail but i remember doing 'union to partition' and all the english and scottish immigrants coming over to ireland.
i remember doing the battle of hastings in 1st yr too.
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Post by ptarmigan1 on Sept 26, 2009 18:47:21 GMT
Thanks you two..this is great! HAs helped me sooooo much!!
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Post by dannyboy on Sept 26, 2009 22:44:24 GMT
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Post by ptarmigan1 on Sept 27, 2009 18:42:29 GMT
sorry guys..more help please..it says too."explain abouy distrusting the catholics and the measures they used to gain and keep control of the North at the expense of the catholics e.g the RUC, B Speicals local councils- Gerrymandering, Special Powers Act, Jobs, Housing"
Ahh,,,help!
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Post by dannyboy on Sept 27, 2009 19:20:00 GMT
Unionists didn't distrust all catholics - they lived side by side in many areas (I mayself grew up in a very mixed and shared community). Measures that Unionists took to keep control of the North (1) mainly protestant councils - (trying to keep the council's with a protestant majority) this allowed them to have more say and more control (2) RUC was a mainly protestant police force (although not completely intentional from the Unionist side - mainly catholics were targeted from their own communities for joining as seen as a British force / authority) (3) As councils were majority protestant - protestants were housed first and this caused many rows and was part of the reason for Bloody Sunday - civil rights movement in Londonderry / Derry approx 1970 (Derry is just up the road from me). (4) Leading Sinn Fein members carried the coffins of known IRA men, this only increased tensions and hense Sinn Fein were known as Sinn Fein IRA - (Martin Maginnis, the leader of Sinn Fein was the IRA leader & is now running N.Ireland along side DUP leader Peter Robinson). (5) Employment in N.Ireland - a lot of power stations, civil service and other top industries were mainly protestant workers - this is not the case today and its 50/50. Some areas still prefer to employ their own religion but it is becoming increasing difficult with law to do this. I hope this helps - there's a few things I'm not too up on so I'm sorry if I haven't answered everything. This is quite a heavy assignment you have to write  Whats the subject? |
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Post by fleabitten on Sept 27, 2009 19:51:59 GMT
Do you not have notes on this?
Seeing as were all getting into History now, im doing a question
'explain the economic problems faced by the Weimar Government between 1919 and 1923'
for tomorrow
Also have to do another in class tomorrow.
explain how the Weimar Republic was unstable between 1919 - 1923
Anyone clued up on WWII??? ;D
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Post by dannyboy on Oct 22, 2009 22:09:33 GMT
How did you get on with your assignment? Maybe we just confused you  |
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Post by fleabitten on Oct 23, 2009 15:54:56 GMT
Yeah, although i dont think i contributed very much lol!!
Talking of assignments, I had to write a 35 mark essay on the rise of the Nazis and then another 13 mark one on the utility of a source. Fun. It took me 2 hours to do the 35 mark one and i wrote 5 sides of a file page and i still didnt get all the points in - and in the exam ove only got 50 mins to do it. Ah well. lol!
How did you get on ptarmi (beth?)?
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